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Title: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on August 23, 2013, 07:24:46 PM
Where The Sunset Sinks (© 2013 Dwayne Vincent)



Wish list for song

Drums
Bass
Keys

Forget about your sorrow
Forget about your pain
Look forward tomorrow
And all that it can bring

But I'll Say

Where you going to go
Where can you be reached
Tell em I'll be hanging out at the beach
Where the sunset sinks

Where you going to go
Where can you be reached
Sitting here sipping on another drink
Where the sunset sinks

Forget about your problems
Forget about your cares
Have to start living
One life that we all share

But I'll say

Where you going to go
Where can you be reached
Tell em I'll be hanging out at the beach
Where the sunset sinks

Where you going to go
Where can you be reached
Sitting here sipping on another drink
Where the sunset sinks

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on August 23, 2013, 11:11:07 PM

Song may need a bridge or lead instrument break however I left lots of room to add instruments and a new part or two.

just need to edit out some of the chorus vox parts to add bride or lead parts.

 8)

May have found a drummer for this tune on another site (fingers crossed)
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: stickfigure on August 30, 2013, 08:49:20 PM
Hey, Vincent, nice song!!!

I can´t provide you with anything you asked :) but I really liked the song.
I recorded (very quickly)some rhythm guitars over the last chorus and would like to know if it's along the lines you had in mind for the song.
this is just the final chorus. my overdubs start at 00:13.

hope you like
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on September 05, 2013, 08:56:31 PM

Thanks for the interest.

I like what you did...I think you could do even better if I posted chords.

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Still need drums before doing any final takes/recordings.

Will post a drumless if any interest.

Song also needs a bridge.

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on September 06, 2013, 08:16:30 AM
Some rough draft bridge lyrics.

Was thinking of trying electric guitar and keys for bridge (once its written)

(chorus)
Where the sunset

(Bridge)
Sinks into the dark
It captures my heart
Another day is gone for good

Close your eyes while its dark
Wait for a new day to start
Don't let it be misunderstood

But I'll Say

(Chorus)
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: stickfigure on September 07, 2013, 09:18:10 AM
sure! do that and i'll try to figure out some more guitar parts to the other sections.
btw, when you say keys, you mean something piano, hammond or mellotron, or do you have some synth stuff in mind?

I´ll wait for the bridge ;)

cheers!


Thanks for the interest.

I like what you did...I think you could do even better if I posted chords.

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Still need drums before doing any final takes/recordings.

Will post a drumless if any interest.

Song also needs a bridge.

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on September 07, 2013, 10:21:34 AM
Great!

You keep working on guitar filler (and other instruments if you want as well)

Open to all keyboard sounds (even Dubstep)

 8)

Things needed for song

Bridge (working on it)
Drums
Bass
Keyboard filler
Guitar filler
Other instruments filler

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Once song is done and final tracks are done I will post all tracks for mixing...no sense uploading my stems yet until they are final takes.
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: stickfigure on September 07, 2013, 11:20:59 PM
ok, here's some more guitar ;)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/umk1534mpwbfnbd/Where%20The%20Sunset%20Sinks%20-%20demo%202.mp3

I'll try to figure out something more while waiting for the bridge  8)
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: stoman on September 08, 2013, 08:41:24 AM
Nice song, Vince, as usual. I like the added guitars. And, as usual, I don't really see the need for keys. Maybe it's just my lack of imagination, but to me the song sounds complete (in terms of arrangement).

Regards,
  Steffen
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on September 08, 2013, 09:10:38 AM

Thanks Sto.

The added guitars sound great Stickfigure.

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Didn't get a chance to work on a bridge yet.

We can either create a bridge or have some instrumental time with the chorus parts (remove some vocals for lead instruments)

Need drums.

I have my eye on a few used kits on Kijiji however I wont have the cash for drums for a few weeks (taking a part time job for a week or two to pay for them)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/T2eC16ZHJGYE9noojdolBSIMIRTWvw48_20.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/T2eC16ZHJGYE9noojdolBSIMIRTWvw48_20.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on September 09, 2013, 07:44:05 AM
Even if I get the drums I may not be "Record ready" for a while so I will post a drumless.

Also posting a file with empty spot to write bridge part.

Most songs have a bridge these days so I will attempt a bridge for this tune.

Open for others to try writing a bridge as well.

Flac/Wav files

Bridge space with drums


No drum file with bridge space (150bpm)

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: stickfigure on September 09, 2013, 10:54:08 PM
ok Vince, just remember that it was you who asked for it... ;)

Instead of doing away with a section, I added a new instrumental bridge (read guitar solo, please) at 2:08. It's 8 bars at 75 bpm. It feels as a huge break because I didn't record bass guitar, acoustic guitar or the pad but I'm leaving that for you to do. I added some drums, though... oh, and some piano and a hammond...

Well, I had fun!!! ;)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/unqljj85w337yll/Where%20The%20Sunset%20Sinks%20-%20extended%20v1.mp3

Cheers!

p.s. Nice drums!!! Hope you get them soon!!!
Oh, and your flac files had some noise in them... :S
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on September 10, 2013, 06:20:06 AM

Will know by tomorrow if I get the part time J O B or not to pay for the drums.

If I get the job I will be missing in action for at least a week.

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As for the song...Once I get real drums I will be redoing my parts to drums (so timing is tight as possible)

So don't wear out on the song and save some fresh riffage for final takes.

As for the bridge part...Solo/instrumental is an option however I may go with vocals. (not sure yet however its nice to have options)

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on September 10, 2013, 06:44:31 AM

Was wondering what type of noise you are hearing on files. (so I can figure out the cause of it)

I may have rendered the files to loud.

If its hiss that could be coming from my preamp or interface (which may need replacing)

Thanks

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on September 10, 2013, 12:50:40 PM

Got the J O B...Will be away from recording computer until Sept 19.

Take a break from song for a week or so until I get back.

--------------------------------

Time to window shop for a few new items.

Ive looked at a ton of interfaces and so far for the price I'm liking this little Roland interface.

Roland UA 55 Quad Capture USB 2.0 Audio Interface

http://www.lamusic.ca/Roland-UA-55-Quad-Capture-USB-2-0-Audio-Interface-p/ua-55.htm
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on September 21, 2013, 11:46:47 AM

Could be a few weeks before getting paid and then ordering online takes a few weeks as well so I'm out of commission for about a month.

Can still record with old gear though.

Being in Nova Scotia I always have to order from Ontario to get the good stuff however sometimes delivery takes a while (if out of stock)

Took forever to get my Yamaha acoustic yet took just days to get my Fender Tele so I never know how long it will take to arrive.

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Hopefully a drummer will drop buy and I wont have to be the drummer...Wearing enough hats already I think and would like to have a more seasoned drummer than myself anyway.


Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on September 30, 2013, 07:09:32 AM

Listening to the guitar you added to the song.

It sounds good.

Would love real drummer for this.

Instead of forking out 3 bills on a new interface I'm going to cheap out and go second hand on Kijiji... 8)


Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on September 30, 2013, 08:57:50 AM
This product is a bit dated however I'm still using windows XP on a newish Dual Core computer.

http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-musical-instruments-pro-audio-recording-equip-M-Audio-Firewire-410-W0QQAdIdZ526333323

Will offer $50-$75 for it.

M-Audio Firewire 410

4 inputs/10 outputs. High quality DA/AD converters. 24 bit/96kHz. Connects to computer via Firewire 400.

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May also look into a decent preamp as well.
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on September 30, 2013, 09:55:10 AM
This interface has decent reviews for it and is a bit newer than the other one.

Could get this one for $50

M-Audio Fast Track C400
(24-bit/96kHz)

http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-musical-instruments-pro-audio-recording-equip-M-Audio-Fast-Track-C400-Recording-Interface-W0QQAdIdZ523443572
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 01, 2013, 04:59:11 PM
Finally have a new interface...To buy new would of cost $350 after tax however I only paid $70 and the item is in brand new condition (not even used yet)

Excellent!

$299 plus tax at LA Music

http://www.lamusic.ca/M-Audio-Fast-Track-C400-Pro-Tools-MP9-p/9900-65163-12.htm
       
M-Audio Fast Track C400

    
Features
Ensure your recordings sound amazing with pristine, 24-bit/96 kHz audio fidelity
4-input/6-output design lets you capture and play back multiple sources

    2 high-quality mic/line combo preamps on rear panel
    2 front-panel 1/4" instrument inputs
    20 dB pad on each preamp for capturing hotter signals without distortion
    Phantom power for condenser microphones
    4 balanced analog outputs with monitor management system
    1 headphone output with independent volume control
    S/PDIF digital I/O
    1x1 MIDI I/O

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/Interface2.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/Interface2.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 02, 2013, 07:24:26 AM
Hockey season is back

Socan or some other site is looking for Sports Anthem type of songs and I wouldn't mind trying to create a sports themed song for future submissions to other sites as well.

Note:
Be vague when writing lyrics as to include all sports.

(Basic Chant lyric)

Nah Nah
Nah Nah 
Nah Nah Nah Nah

Nah Nah
Nah Nah 
Nah Nah Nah Nah

 8)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/simc.gif) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/simc.gif.html)

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 02, 2013, 09:26:16 AM
Back to the song

Looking for real drums/drummer.

Will re record to real drum track if and when that happens.

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 04, 2013, 08:22:53 AM
The Fast Track C400 is to new to work on windows XP.

Will have to install windows 7 then re install all recording related software.

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Until then will test out the interface on a windows 7 laptop we have.

 8)
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 04, 2013, 10:49:18 AM
Sounds good on Laptop.

This interface has the larger 1/4 inch headphone input.

Going to check Kijiji for a decent set of closed back headphones with the 1/4 input.

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Interface comes with built in DSP effects and looks like I get pro tools as well (not a fan though)

Reaper is my choice.
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 04, 2013, 11:13:09 AM

Still keeping an eye out for drums.

Unfortunately this set is a bit to old however the asking Price is $100.

Roland is a decent name but this kit is a bit old and outdated.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/RolandTD7.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/RolandTD7.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 05, 2013, 02:18:32 PM
Here are my original guitar tracks...Good for tracking to.

Left out a spot for the bridge and or solo.

Edit:

Removed files.
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 09, 2013, 05:00:44 PM
Interesting read if you have ever been a target or feel you are or may become one on any online forum.

http://voices.yahoo.com/online-forum-etiquette-deal-forum-bully-796861.html?cat=15

Summary

There is an inner circle and they protect each other and will bully people at there discretion for either self preservation and or just for the fun of it cause they can get away with it.

The admins will even back up this inner circle (which is hard to believe for me)

Makes me feel better that I called the admin a fat F'ing loser before I went out the door because in hindsight he is an aZZhole too.
 
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 09, 2013, 05:30:10 PM

Now back to the tunes.

 8)

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 10, 2013, 07:08:35 AM

Morning Yall

 8)

No complaints today.

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My two new favorite words of the English language are...

Wait for it...

"Below Me"

 ;D
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 10, 2013, 08:25:31 AM

No rush on this song until real drums are added.

Even though fake drums sound ok I prefer a real drummer on a song.
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 10, 2013, 09:49:52 AM

Someone is selling this Alesis DM5 Pro kit for $350.(says in ad he paid $1000 for them brand new in 2010)

Did some research...The drum pads are loud and the sounds are not the greatest.

Will hold out for a Roland kit (save more cash if needed) or just keep looking for a drummer.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/dm5prokit_front_lg.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/dm5prokit_front_lg.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 11, 2013, 10:29:14 AM
Tested the M Audio C400

The unit has headphone monitoring issues from what I'm reading up on (should of researched a bit better)

However this interface/sound card will be great for mixing because it has plugins for a few sets of monitors (so you can check mix on small and larger monitors)

Here are some Fast Track C series videos.

http://community.avid.com/blogs/avid/archive/2011/10/04/behind-the-scenes-of-the-new-fast-track-c-series-interfaces-part-1.aspx

I may grab the firewire 410 off of Kijiji for actual tracking and use the C400 for mixing.(with monitor only)

 8)
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 11, 2013, 01:06:35 PM
Have a meeting to buy firewire 410 at 5PM today.

Hopefully that works out according to plan.

 8)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/Firewire4105.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/Firewire4105.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/Firewire4102.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/Firewire4102.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 11, 2013, 09:18:33 PM

Proud owner of an M audio Firewire 410

Its a bit dated however it should be fine for my needs.(like new in box)

Wont have to switch to windows 7 (sticking with XP)

In total I spent a $155 on interfaces so I'm not to upset about the C400's headphone monitoring issue (can probably set something up from the back for phones using a mixer on the C400).

M audio C400= $70
M Audio firewire 410= $85

Will be getting back to recording after the weekend and after I have some time to mess with the new toys.

 8)
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 11, 2013, 09:53:29 PM
Being able to record more than one thing at once does open up new doors for recording.

Always thought this Randy Rhoads guitar set up was interesting.

I like Jim Dunlop/MXR products.

Phase 90 is decent and that stereo chorus definitely looks interesting in this pic and in this set up.

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 11, 2013, 10:14:29 PM

If I had the gear and the studio I would go one further and go with 3 cabs if that's possible.

Left Center Right

I'm into triple tracking vocals and electric guitar so 3 cabs is a very interesting idea in concept.

You want real stereo you have to go 3 D.

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 12, 2013, 10:17:03 AM

Axe Music T Shirts.

Kind of decent how they package them.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/ebay002.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/ebay002.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 12, 2013, 10:41:16 AM
Amazing Spiderman guitar...Now Ive seen it all.

Looks like a Gibson Melody Maker I think.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/spidermanguitar.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/spidermanguitar.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/zzspidey.gif) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/zzspidey.gif.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/marvel020.gif) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/marvel020.gif.html)
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 12, 2013, 11:03:33 AM

Play the spiderman theme song on that guitar.

 8)
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 12, 2013, 02:42:08 PM

Give thanks that you are healthy people.

Neighbor had a stroke and now I'm part of the Personal Emergency Response service. (volunteer)

Helping people live safely and independently in their own homes.

I like helping however I hope I don't find the guy lifeless one of these times after an emergency call.

I really hope that never happens.


Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 12, 2013, 03:44:00 PM
Tested the M Audio C400

The unit has headphone monitoring issues from what I'm reading up on (should of researched a bit better)

However this interface/sound card will be great for mixing because it has plugins for a few sets of monitors (so you can check mix on small and larger monitors)

Here are some Fast Track C series videos.

http://community.avid.com/blogs/avid/archive/2011/10/04/behind-the-scenes-of-the-new-fast-track-c-series-interfaces-part-1.aspx

I may grab the firewire 410 off of Kijiji for actual tracking and use the C400 for mixing.(with monitor only)

 8)

Going to keep watching these videos and use the C400 for the laptop (with windows 7) and use the firewire 410 for the recording PC (with windows XP on a newish dual core PC)

Windows 7 seems so slow and bloated compared to windows XP...Not a fan.



Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 12, 2013, 03:48:36 PM

Will eventually upgrade to windows 7 (no choice)

IE wont even work for XP anymore.

Using firefox.
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 12, 2013, 04:08:40 PM

After watching the video again I'm wondering what type of plugins come with the pro tools SE software they give.

Time to find out I think.

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 12, 2013, 07:47:26 PM
Have the C400 headphone monitoring working now using the software they give to control the interface with.

Tinkered with the dsp reverbs (room,hall and plate) and delay and Echo.

There is one issue...Panning...when monitoring its panned right or left depending on which input I plug into.

Also tends to record the same way (left or right)

Learning curve with this thing.

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 13, 2013, 08:18:56 AM

Firewire 410

My newish dual core does not have a firewire input.

I have a few PC's that do have firewire input however will have to set one of them up for recording and keep this PC for the internut.

 8)

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 13, 2013, 08:55:14 AM

Going to reorganize studio and get it more comfortable for recording...I want to be able to just turn the PC on and grab the guitar and just play with out much hassle of setting up.

Having separate PC for recording may end up being a good thing...It will all be set up and ready to go whenever inspiration hits.

Right now I move computer desk closer to recording booth when recording so my setup isn't working the way it is now anyway and is a hassle when i want to record.

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 13, 2013, 05:29:09 PM

Glad someone created another topic.

After I deleted a few songs I noticed the number of topics on forum was "666" for a while.

Sign of the end of times.

 8)

Let's hope not anyway.





Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 15, 2013, 12:10:35 PM

Spent yesterday and today reorganizing studio.

The older PC with firewire input had windows Professional however the firewire 410 would  not install so I grabbed my windows XP home edition and re installed and reformated the computer in hopes a fresh install may help.

After that I was able to get the latest XP drivers for the firewire 410 to install.

The intreface works and connects to reaper however I still have same issue with this interface.

Monitoring levels are low to none and playback is panned left or or right and not centered.

Must have to adjust things in the software control panel like the C400.

Glad I have the 410 fired up and working...Just don't know how to use it properly yet.

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 15, 2013, 05:10:20 PM
Some close up pics of half of the studio.

Still not set up the way I like it yet.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/2013-10-1513-20-23859.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/2013-10-1513-20-23859.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/2013-10-1513-21-25812.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/2013-10-1513-21-25812.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/2013-10-1513-19-46718.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/2013-10-1513-19-46718.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 15, 2013, 05:14:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/2013-10-1513-19-28062.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/2013-10-1513-19-28062.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/2013-10-1513-16-19187.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/2013-10-1513-16-19187.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/2013-10-1513-17-57718.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/2013-10-1513-17-57718.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 15, 2013, 10:43:21 PM
Simple and basic mixing chart for panning strings and what not.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/violin.gif) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/violin.gif.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/seatingchart.gif) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/seatingchart.gif.html)
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 15, 2013, 10:55:45 PM

Keep pimping out those mixes and songs.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/pimp.gif) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/pimp.gif.html)

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 15, 2013, 11:14:35 PM

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/bg_mu_g.gif) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/bg_mu_g.gif.html)
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 16, 2013, 09:31:48 AM
Studio has to be functional,look cool and make sense as well.

Going to put the dedicated recording PC behind futon.(Futon should block any computer noise nicely)

Then bring monitor,mouse,keyboard and interface around to the front so the artist can just click the mouse,use the keyboard and watch the monitor as they sing.

That's a very functional way of doing things instead of how I have it right now.

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 16, 2013, 10:41:02 AM
Ok finished that little chore.

Puter is behind futon.

Monitor and mouse will be to the left of artist and interface and keyboard will be to the right of artist "In the booth" so to speak.

Still need to add some type of foam or sound absorber above artist head in the home made booth.
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 16, 2013, 04:02:13 PM

Final pics of home made vocal booth.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/2013-10-1612-48-57000.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/2013-10-1612-48-57000.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/2013-10-1612-40-54812.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/2013-10-1612-40-54812.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/2013-10-1612-49-12796.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/2013-10-1612-49-12796.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 16, 2013, 05:18:23 PM

Few more pics.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/2013-10-1614-04-18281.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/2013-10-1614-04-18281.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/2013-10-1614-03-58406.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/2013-10-1614-03-58406.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 16, 2013, 05:19:18 PM

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/2013-10-1614-01-55531.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/2013-10-1614-01-55531.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/2013-10-1614-03-06062.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/2013-10-1614-03-06062.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/2013-10-1614-02-38781.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/2013-10-1614-02-38781.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 16, 2013, 05:21:08 PM

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/2013-10-1614-06-00984.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/2013-10-1614-06-00984.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/2013-10-1614-08-13703.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/2013-10-1614-08-13703.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/2013-10-1614-08-35375.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/2013-10-1614-08-35375.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 16, 2013, 06:03:08 PM

What this side of the room used to look like before I painted and removed the doors.

Sorry for the blurry pic.

I used the foam from around the dart board for the roof of the booth.

 ;D

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/Studio041.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/Studio041.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 17, 2013, 07:38:06 AM
Going to spend the next week or so tinkering with new set up and figuering out the new interface.

I may have to use two line outs in the back to get a stereo sound...not sure yet.

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 17, 2013, 10:24:36 AM
May have found the issue.

The adapter I'm using to make headphone plugin bigger is not working properly.

If I jiggle the connector it tends to play through both Left and right sides.

Need new phones with larger plugin or get new connector.

 8)
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 17, 2013, 11:17:16 AM
Recording and playback.

Will need a second Sm57 (and mic cord) If I want to record in real stereo (which is what I want)

That means I will search Kijiji for another Sm57.

The M audio Firewire 410 pre's are nice,unfortunately without two mics you can only record mono.(one side at a time and no stereo)

After that I will have to learn how to set up two mics for recording (avoid phase issues ect)

The 410 sounds nice though so far. (even though its a bit dated now)
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 17, 2013, 12:18:37 PM
Things Needed before record ready.

Buy a second sm57 and cord
Need a mic bar with at least two clips.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/2micclip.jpeg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/2micclip.jpeg.html)

Once the two mic setup is done for the M audio firewire 410 and the M Audido C400 interfaces I should be good to go.

Until then I still have my original Fast track to record with. (even though it's seen better days).

Once I get set up it will be less talk and more walk (so to speak)
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 17, 2013, 01:20:18 PM

There were a couple of 57's for sale on Kijiji a while back however there are none there now.

Have to wait for someone to post one for sale.

Should be able to get one for half price or better.(hopefully one with a cord)

 8)


Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 17, 2013, 02:30:20 PM

Researched a bit on how to record with two mics.

This site has some good info.
http://www.deltamedia.com/resource/stereo_microphone_techniques.html

Stereo miking adds lifelike realism to a recording because it captures:

    The left-to-right position of each instrument.
    The depth or distance of each instrument.
    The distance of the ensemble from the listener (the perspective).
    The spatial sense of the acoustic environment, the ambience or hall reverberation.
    The timbres of the instruments as heard in the audience.


Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 18, 2013, 09:34:32 AM
Forgot to add headphones to the list of things needed.

One thing leads to another in regards to home recording and usually leaves you with empty pockets so i like going second hand if I can and save some cash.

Lot of "Like New" music gear on Kijiji because tons of people buy music gear in hopes they will learn how to play however that doesn't always work out.Lucky for me and you if you need some decent gear on the cheap.

Things needed

Headphones with 1/4 inch jack
Shure sm57 and cord.
Mic bar with at least two clips.



Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 18, 2013, 10:15:37 AM
Kijiji allows trades as well.

Stuff I have for trade

Apex 435 condensor mic
Epiphone Les Paul 100
Art Tube Pre amp
M Audio C400 (might trade depending on offer)

I used to sell on ebay and have excellent feedback (still have the account) if anybody want's to do an online trade.

No online trade with the guitar though...I shipped a guitar from Canada to Italy once and shipping was almost $300 and I was lucky to even find a company that would send it (Fed Ex was the company that shipped it)

Small packages like the C400 will be around or under $20 to ship in North America.
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 18, 2013, 10:27:39 AM
Have not used Ebay.ca (Canada) account in forever however here is some feedback.

http://myworld.ebay.ca/thecomicshack

Ignore the Positive feedback: 0%

They must calculate feedback on a yearly basis...I never use the account anymore.

My positive feedback was Pretty much a 100% (not sure why they have 0%)

Just another thing that doesn't make sense on Ebay and why I don't use it anymore.
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 18, 2013, 10:38:13 AM

Ebay owns Kijiji I think so I wont tear them up to badly because I like that site.

Someone got ripped off from that Kijiji site not to long ago.

Someone went to buy item and instead of paying for it they just took it.

 :o
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 18, 2013, 10:58:56 AM

Here is all feedback.

http://feedback.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=thecomicshack&ftab=AllFeedback&myworld=true

All positive feedback.

I'm a trusted buyer and seller and don't rip people off.

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 19, 2013, 08:21:59 AM
Only 57 to be found in Kijiji land was a guy selling a 57,mic cable and stand for $175.

He's dreaming if he thinks someone will pay that kind of cash.

Will wait for a better deal.

Seen them go as low as $40 in the past (without cable)

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: crtjstr on October 19, 2013, 11:53:51 AM
I didn't see why you're not looking on eBay, but there's loads of 57's for around $50 plus shipping.

Although to be fair, you can get better mics used around $150 if you're patient.

Sent from my SGH-T889 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 19, 2013, 01:34:31 PM
Used to love ebay until sellers started over charging for shipping.

Ebay fee's killed that site...Greed killed that site.

Fee's are so high you have to over charge on shipping to make money.

Sad but true.

Then the whole paypal credit card fee's...It's a sellers nightmare.

Only ones making money are ebay and paypal I think.

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: crtjstr on October 19, 2013, 01:45:34 PM
Yes and no. I look for auctions that are free shipping, or calculated by zip code. At least then the shipping rates are close.

Sent from my SGH-T889 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 19, 2013, 02:40:24 PM

In Canada you have to be careful who you buy from on ebay or you can get burnt big time.

I spent $20 to get a $40 guitar pedal shipped from the U.S to Canada

When the item came to my door they wanted $40 more in brokerage fees.

Cost me $60 to get a tiny little $40 guitar pedal shipped to my door.

I'm done with ebay.

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 19, 2013, 02:52:33 PM

Just realized my ebay account is almost 10 years old (joined 2004)

Iv'e stopped using eaby for a few years now...Still have the account however never use it.

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 20, 2013, 08:33:00 AM

Morning.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/zzebay.gif) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/zzebay.gif.html)

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 20, 2013, 08:45:57 AM

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/band.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/band.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 21, 2013, 02:10:35 PM
Decided to install windows 7 on the newer dual core so the M Audio C400 can be used.

Will test it some more and see if it makes the cut.

It has nice pre's,I will give it that.

 8)
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 21, 2013, 03:27:33 PM
Hard to find decently priced headphones with 1/4 inch jack.

They all use those gold plated adaptors that go from 1/8 to 1/4.

Back in the day all the headphones were 1/4 inch and now it's tough to find any at a decent price.
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: crtjstr on October 21, 2013, 04:11:52 PM
What headphones are you looking at?

Sent from my SGH-T889 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 21, 2013, 04:22:54 PM
Anything around $100 that are closed back with 1/4 jack.

Most at that price are 1/8 with adaptor for 1/4.

My choice is even more limited because I'm in Canada and not the U.S.

Only a few good sites I can shop from

LA Music.ca

Axemusic.com

Long And Mcquade

I already looked at these sites.
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 21, 2013, 04:26:09 PM
I used my fender amp as a connector to test interface out.

used guitar patch cord and went from headphone 1/4 plugin on the C400 to Fender amp 1/4 input.

Then used 1/8 headphone plugin on amp to monitor and record.

Everything sounds centered this way however is it because the amp only has one speaker?

Not sure.
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: crtjstr on October 21, 2013, 05:14:59 PM
There is a huge quality jump from $100 to around $300-400. I waited and spent that. Well worth the extra.

Your guitar amp is probably mono.

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Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 21, 2013, 05:53:02 PM
I may wait and keep searching for the right pair at the right price.

---------

Sound testing to see if its centered.

going to upstairs laptop to check.

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 21, 2013, 06:11:38 PM

Kind of a crappy sound test using dynamic on acoustic and vocal at the same time however It sounds centered on the lappy so I guess that's a good thing.

It's a start.

 8)
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 22, 2013, 05:14:42 PM

Sound test acoustic only.

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 22, 2013, 06:09:33 PM
Wondering if file is centered and can be panned left or right.

Is volume loud enough

Still fine tuning things.

Stairway intro

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 22, 2013, 07:25:41 PM
Zeppelin riff electric guitar test (don't think volume is loud enough)

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 23, 2013, 08:24:11 AM

While Knob blah blah blah's about useless session files we will be getting on with the real session.

Mo Fo

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 26, 2013, 09:29:20 AM

Still looking for real drums for this song.

Everything will get redone to the real drum track.

That way timing will be tight as possible.

much more fun mixing real drums anyway.
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 26, 2013, 09:54:42 AM

I don't mind fake drums however I like the pop sounding beats more than the ezdrummer or addictive drum sounds.



Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 27, 2013, 10:10:48 AM

Bazinga

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/flash.gif) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/flash.gif.html)

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 28, 2013, 09:22:32 AM

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/WoodyWoodpeckerGuitar.png) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/WoodyWoodpeckerGuitar.png.html)
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 28, 2013, 11:58:52 AM
That original Zeppelin electric riff was triple tracked.

Nothing is mixed at all (although tracks were run through a dry mix bus to up the volume however did not add any plugs.

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 28, 2013, 12:24:37 PM

I would love to cover and record some Zeppelin tunes however we need a Leo singer.

Robert is a Leo.

They are moody people (bit of anger there) however they have hidden talent and it shows.



Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 28, 2013, 02:40:30 PM

Love live comedy and it's hilarious when it's done right.

These guys are good musicians.

I normally don't laugh out loud at performances however watching these guys makes me laugh out loud for real.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uPRajM48C4
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 29, 2013, 09:21:34 AM

That triple tracked zeppelin was a helpfull test.

Decided to put the mattress back where the guitars were and added some couch cushions as well to try and absorb that low end that builds up.

Homemade bass traps I guess.
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 29, 2013, 09:24:37 AM

So now In the room there is a futon (turned up on its side)single mattress with clean sheet and couch cushions in the corners.

Should help absorb some of that low end build up.
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 29, 2013, 10:26:00 AM
Acoustic test.



Miss Your Love
© Dwayne Vincent

this recording has an error in progression so it won't make the cut.

Not a bad sound overall for a not so expensive acoustic and an sm57.

Having some homemade room treatment helps.
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 29, 2013, 11:16:27 AM
Bit of latency in that last recording test.

Will have to adjust settings and try and get the timing tighter and try and reduce latency a bit more.


Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 29, 2013, 01:50:58 PM
vocal test

Repeated lyric until I get more written.

Screwed lyrics a bit on track 1 of 3.

I consider myself a guitar player and not really a singer (not by choice and only by necessity).



Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 29, 2013, 05:36:26 PM
Bit of headphone mixing using reaper only plugs and their presets for compression.

Did my own eq'ing.


Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 29, 2013, 05:51:01 PM

Vocals are only low shelved for the time being.

This is just a practice mix and a practice recording session to get used to the C400.

It's quirky.

It won't record in reaper when I turn phantom power on?

I can live with that since I like recording with dynamics anyway however it's still strange for sure.

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 30, 2013, 06:31:18 AM
Now the wait continues for a drummer.

I can wait.

Gives time to test out the new recording set up some more.

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 31, 2013, 08:21:14 AM

Halloween 2013

The house where we are get zero trick or treaters because we live in the middle of nowhere.(country road)

No street lights out here so they are better off staying home.

Wild animals roam around here as well digging in compost bins ect looking for their own treat so to speak.


Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on October 31, 2013, 09:42:18 AM
Cleaning up dropbox files/account.

Will repost files once I grab projects off of external hard drive.

Or

I may just write something totally new with the better recording gear.

 8)

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 01, 2013, 09:35:08 AM

Morning

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/yawn1.gif) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/yawn1.gif.html)
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 01, 2013, 09:39:00 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/guitardrawn.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/guitardrawn.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 02, 2013, 09:26:00 AM

Going to put a few things on Kijiji for trade/sale.

I really like this Yamaha bass however it's tougher to play than a guitar with frets.

I'm looking to get a Fender bass in the near future so this is up for trade/sale.

Trade Value: $200-$300


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/Bass1.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/Bass1.jpg.html)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/Bass2.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/Bass2.jpg.html)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/Bass3.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/Bass3.jpg.html)



Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 02, 2013, 09:34:07 AM

Also trading my old axe because it never gets used.

Epiphone Les Paul 100

Trade Value: $300-$350
Sale Value: $100

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/2013-10-1614-02-38781.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/2013-10-1614-02-38781.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 02, 2013, 09:51:58 AM
I have a bunch of older gear that I'm selling off in hopes of gathering enough cash to get one decent set of drums or guitar/bass.

None of the stuff is being used anymore anyway so why not get rid of it.

Also trading that M audio Firewire 410 I bought for $85 as well.

Will be using the M audio C400 instead.
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 02, 2013, 10:00:51 AM

kijiji is good for trading and selling.

Done a lot of trading so far on that website and have had no issues so far.

Nice to have a local classifieds that actually works (most of them you never get a reply from)
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 02, 2013, 03:45:02 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/George.gif) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/George.gif.html)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/Ringo2.gif) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/Ringo2.gif.html)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/John.gif) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/John.gif.html)

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 04, 2013, 07:10:19 AM

Still looking for drums and other instruments.

Will post an updated file when I get the chance.

Still installing some programs on the computer for recording.

Just installed that Fender Fuse Software that comes with the Fender Mustang Amps.

It's like using amplitube or guitar rig however it's connected to an amp.

Can download tons of presets online as well,Me likes.
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 04, 2013, 07:41:28 AM

Screenshot of Fender Fuse Software.

Amp connects to the computer through USB.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/bandittone.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/bandittone.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 04, 2013, 08:17:14 AM
Fender Fuse is not a VST though.

It's a standalone I believe.

Dial in the sound you want and then open up the recording software to record.

Would of been better as a VST.

Not complaining though because with these amps you can get any sound you want.

All I needed was the 40 watt for my needs and even that is to loud because I usually record at half volume or less.

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 04, 2013, 08:24:52 AM

The software can be downloaded for free although it's not much use without the amp.

Can still check out how the software works.

Community button takes you to preset land.

https://fuse.fender.com/
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 04, 2013, 08:31:29 AM

Preset screen.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/Presetscreen.png) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/Presetscreen.png.html)
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 04, 2013, 07:30:34 PM

I'm here to make tunes and give mixing tips.

Not really here to rip peoples work apart.

I will give hints and tips on how to improve your mix and not use buzz words like sizzle and smack.

I give #'s that you can use.

Not regurgitated nonsense.

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 05, 2013, 10:00:37 AM
Here is my old acoustic track with click track and simple drum beat.

Everything seems close enough timing wise,chord at the 1:51-1:52 mark may be a bit sketchy timing wise however if drums follow click it should be fine.

Can post a WAV of acoustic track only if and when a drummers shows up.

 8)


Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 05, 2013, 10:02:46 AM
My rewired drums are not centered yet.

Have to fix that.

Won't matter if real drums show anyway.

Nothing is mixed.
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 05, 2013, 05:39:58 PM

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/WoodyWoodpeckerGuitar.png) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/WoodyWoodpeckerGuitar.png.html)
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 05, 2013, 05:41:35 PM

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/Copy_of_DRUMMER2.gif) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/Copy_of_DRUMMER2.gif.html)

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 05, 2013, 05:52:35 PM

Old Tab Magazine flashback.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/1G.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/1G.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 05, 2013, 05:54:26 PM

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/1GS.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/1GS.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 05, 2013, 05:55:20 PM

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/IMG_4676.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/IMG_4676.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 05, 2013, 06:00:21 PM

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/3G.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/3G.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 05, 2013, 06:13:19 PM
LOL

Finally got knob to smite me.

How come he has no negatives/smites.

Scratches head.

I won't bother to smite back because he isn't worth it.
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 05, 2013, 06:16:48 PM

There were 3 knobs when I arrived and now I have 3 smites.

Not hard to piece that puzzle together.

These guys have a few missing puzzle pieces anyway.

 ;D
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 05, 2013, 06:21:57 PM

F it

I hit the smite button.

Hello -1 (nice to meet you)

 :D
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 05, 2013, 06:33:36 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/highfive.gif) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/highfive.gif.html)
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 05, 2013, 06:38:39 PM

I love Pissing off A holes because they have no clue what to do because that's usually their job.

It's hilarious.

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/spidercents/POP060.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/spidercents/media/POP060.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 05, 2013, 06:45:31 PM
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Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 05, 2013, 06:49:27 PM

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Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 05, 2013, 07:45:58 PM


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Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 05, 2013, 08:49:07 PM


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Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 06, 2013, 08:26:29 AM
Don't fall for "Buzz Words" that say nothing.

I used to be fooled by them however I'm not anymore.

Saying add some life or add some punch to the mix by using compression yet never give any #'s on how to do that.

Ratio,Thresh,realeae,attack.

This is the info that's needed.

Not buzz words like "Beef it up" with compression.

Yes but How?

#'s please.
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 06, 2013, 08:35:57 AM
Not judging.

Just a pet peeve of mine.


 
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 06, 2013, 08:44:05 AM
I can comment like that to.

The snare has a nice "ring" to it,guitars are a bit "muddy" and could use an eq and compression adjustment.
Vocals are a bit "sibilant" and could use a deeser.

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What did we learn from my comment.

Nothing.

We all know to use eq,compression and a deeser

We needs #'s

Recipes that work.
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 06, 2013, 08:48:54 AM
No offence to anyone.

Buzz words with no substance says nothing.

 8)
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 06, 2013, 10:25:46 AM
Sidechain compression is an excellent technique if used properly.

Most people don't use it properly.

I should learn more about it though because it is a good technique to use however most mixes I hear with sidechain don't always sound that great.


Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 06, 2013, 10:43:53 AM
This explaination is for Abelton Live however it's a simple explaination of sidechain compression.


"How does sidechain compression work in Live?





Hi,

i read in a magazine that sidechain compression works really good to get this kind of "pumping" beats, that you can hear in all house and electro tracks from today. How do i get this kind of sound in Ableton?"


Sidechain compression is a hugely important topic. When done right, it can add great bouncy punch to your low end and sound very musical. When abused right, it can turn you into a Daft worldwide French house phenomenon. When done wrong, it can make your mix worse.

To understand sidechaining, you have to understand compression a bit. Compression is the reduction of a signal by a certain number of factors. These factors include a threshold, the crossing of which engages the compressor, which can then reduce (or attenuate) the audio via a certain amount. That amount is often a ratio of the signal. You can also control how quickly the compressor will act (attack) and how quickly it will stop the signal reduction once it has been engaged (release).

Sidechaining is basically using another signal to engage a compressor to attenuate the signal you compressing. The signal you are typically trying to attenuate is the bass, and you're typically trying to do that with a kick drum. Doing so allows you to not have the two signals compete for the same frequency range. Done right, the bass and kick will play off each other and feel more glued together, and your overall mix will sound nice and punchy instead of phased and muddy.

You can follow the video above for an excellent How To by Huston. Keep an eye on the attack and release parts of the compressor. You typically want a quick attack and a quick release, so that when the kick and bass are playing together, you barely notice that the bass was attenuated at all. This is commonly used in genres (other than French house) where the effect is subtle and musical, such as rock. In French house, as the video suggests, you can make the effect more pronounced by increasing the release time.

Also, I suggest that after you've set up your sidechain, solo the bass and listen. Live's compressor, typically set to FB2, sometimes introduces small pops in sidechain mode. You can get around this by switching to the FB1 mode. Also, the solo will help you hear the bass as it is being compressed. Then reintroduce the kick in the mix to gauge how the two are working together.

One final comment: If you want that heavy French house sound, you might consider sidechaining more than just the bass. Often times, sidechaining the kick to mid-range sounds can produce great results. A common technique I hear lately is to take a big stab sound, put through reverb, and then introducing the sidechain on the reverbed signal. This creates a dramatic cutting of the reverbed stab, and makes a great effect on dance music."
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 06, 2013, 11:08:39 AM
So sidechain compression is good if done right.

So how is it done right?

Need a how to on how to properly setup and use sidechain compression.

I may search and see if I can find some decent video tutorials.

They mentioned a video in the interview however I didn't see a link to a video.
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 06, 2013, 11:29:41 AM
So I typed in "sidechain compression" into youtube search.

A ton of videos pop up.

Same thing happens when you google for mixing info.

Unfortunately their is a ton of bad mixing advice floating around that one has to sift through.

I know this from experience of using their crappy advice.

Most of the good info I have comes from books and or video tutorials.

Wonder if there is a good dance music mixing book or video.

Save me time of having to sort through all the garbage tutorials.
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 06, 2013, 12:36:56 PM
Hold on

Buddy's name is Huston.

Google "sidechain compression Huston"

This video popped up in results.

Will watch and see if it's the same guy as in the article.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQnOQWLURFU
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 06, 2013, 12:48:39 PM

Reaper turorial sidechain compression.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qELUfGKzJg
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 06, 2013, 12:53:39 PM
Sidechain is easier to understand with the visual graphics like buddy has in the Reaper video.

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Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 06, 2013, 01:46:04 PM
Sidechain compression is off the chain.

Me likes.

That Reaper video is easy to understand.

Will be using this as part of the mixing process from now on.






Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 06, 2013, 01:49:13 PM

I'm wondering if sidechain compression would work with snare and vocals.

They tend to get in the way of one another.
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 07, 2013, 08:32:30 AM
Good morning

 :D
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 10, 2013, 12:06:08 PM
We will roll out the red carpet for you over here at Mixoff,not pull the rug from underneath you.

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Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 11, 2013, 09:19:39 AM
Not to go on about interfaces again however the latency on the C400 is bad.(no matter what setting I tried)

The C400 is officially a mixing interface.Can plug two sets of monitors into the interface so it will be great for mixing.

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The Firewire 410 which is installed on a dedicated recording PC running windows Xp will be the main recording PC.

Firewire 410 has no latency at all.

If I'm triple tracking in the studio I definitely need an interface with low to zero latency and the 410 brings that and the sound is much nicer than my old fast track.

Still want a nice preamp though to go with the interface.

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 11, 2013, 09:33:26 AM
Seen an M-Audio DMP3 on Kijiji recently.

Something like that would fit in nicely with the recording set up.

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Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 12, 2013, 12:27:27 PM
Back to buisness.

Writing,recording,mixing and registering works for TV & Film submission.

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 14, 2013, 12:14:14 AM
Time does heal all wounds. Having a public forum to vent from is helping me forgive and forget as they say.

Time to move forward and forget the past.

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 14, 2013, 09:41:37 AM
That should of said time to "move forward".

 ;)

 
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 14, 2013, 09:51:53 AM
Can post a wav file for tracking if and when a drummer shows up.

Until then I will just keep practicing and working with the new recording setup. Also looking to upgrade and get more tools/gear to get the recordings to an even higher quality.




Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 14, 2013, 11:57:32 AM
Pro tools SE that came with the C400 takes 2 GB of memory/ram.

After installing windows 7 I only had 1.75 GB of Memory left and not enough to install the Pro Tools SE software. That is kind of pathetic that it takes so much memory to even install Pro Tools SE.
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 14, 2013, 12:07:01 PM
Thank goodness for Reaper. Good routing tool like buddy mentioned in the sidechain compression video.

Also easy to use for recording purposes too.

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 14, 2013, 09:06:11 PM
Going to forget tracking to drums and stick with click track knowing I will redo to real drums.

Have to redo due to track bleed, can hear click faintly in background sometimes so redoing to real drums eliminates that. Or I can upgrade and get better closed back head phones someday.

Did some practice recording earlier today. The 410 zero latency is great and the pre amps sound good. I read somewhere that a few artist recorded somewhat successful albums using this interface to record with which is good to know.

It's album worthy at least.

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 14, 2013, 09:35:31 PM
Hard to rock out to a click track though. Bit boring but necessary.

I will get used to it the more I do it. Better off recording this way because I notice some drifting off of click tracking to drums only.

 8)
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 15, 2013, 10:46:44 PM
Old acoustic track with drums and click track. Can post acoustic track only with click intro for drummer if and when that time comes.

I already posted this file, This is a repost.

Edit:
Removed file (will post a file for tracking when needed)
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 16, 2013, 06:22:40 AM
This recording hiatus is helping to refill the well so to speak. Have to take breaks now and then or you can burn out. Started home recording in 2007 and it's been non stop since then.

Moving on from a Toxic environment and person is doing wonders as well. I guess that's why I'm not married. Women create some major b*llsh*t drama and they expect men to just take it.

Sorry, Homie don't play that game. I like my b*lls where they are thanks.
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 16, 2013, 09:09:19 PM
One of my favorite bands. Back when each band had a unique sound before all the posers showed up and started copying the latest trend (including myself at times)

Underrated band. Next best Canadian band after these guys is probably Trooper for me.

April Wine
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Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 16, 2013, 09:25:32 PM
People make music to complicated.

It's amazing what you can do with 3 chords and awesome vocal harmony.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caJiUCih-Hs
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 18, 2013, 01:29:23 PM
Rough guitar demo of "Dear Santa" song.

Guitar could of been fine tuned a bit better so I PC'd the guitar.

No mixing is done except for the PC thang and this is just a rough bed to track to.
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 18, 2013, 02:26:18 PM
Spot for lead instrument line from the 1:02 to the 1:13 second mark before second verse kicks in at the 1:14 mark.
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 18, 2013, 02:44:21 PM
Looking for drummer, bass player and keyboard.

Keyboard stuff I'm looking for are chimes, bells, strings, brass and whatever works for a Christmas song.

Looking for a female singer since it's about Santa, I have a melody and starting lyrics I can post once I record a bit of vocal.

Song can be instrumental as well if we don't feel up to singing.
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 18, 2013, 05:56:09 PM
Removed file.

Working on tune a bit more and need to write more lyrics.

 8)
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 21, 2013, 02:28:48 PM
My mojo is coming back baby. Just spewing trash about the people that did me wrong is helping me get my old self back. I'm not a victim, I was fooled and sucker punched when not looking and unaware a punch was coming. I not only had to recover from the punch I had to solve a riddle and see how many people I'm up against.

It's a battle I can't win on my own.

Oh well you win some you lose some.

To bad for her because she had a good friend in me. I don't let very many people into my circle because I have to protect myself. Tricia doesn't really understand that collabing isn't the same for me as her. I always have people trying to cut my legs off and one up me.

30 years experience playing guitar can create jealousy and envy however I just want people to jam and create with. I'm not really competitive. I'm picky about timing and stuff though and will reject a lot of auditions. For that i'm sorry.

 

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 22, 2013, 08:47:53 AM
Mixoff could become a good place for musicians to collaborate. This place will make a lot more sense and be more stable for people to learn and create. We wont allow clicks or groups to manipulate and bully or harass others.

Lets face it harassment is bullying. Was watching sports channel and the show "Off The Record" last night and they had a small discussion about how bad online harassment/bullying is. It's much worst for young kids because their real lives and online are linked.

Anyone can be a target though, some people never grow up so harassment/bullying is ageless. I remember years ago I didn't get along with a co worker (big surprise there) however he did get along with the boss. Guess what happened?

The boss started harassing me for no reason because the guy I disliked was his boy. That's a form of workplace harassment and discrimination.

Unbelievable these people were in a position of power.

Most owners don't want azzholes in the company and try to weed them out. I'm an azzhole magnet so no worries about them getting flushed out here.

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 22, 2013, 10:00:22 AM
Office politics are similar to online forums. It seems the bag lickers and suck ups to the bosses are usually the ones that are causing the problems and issues in the workplace environment by abusing their power of being friends with the boss.

So beware, where ever there is a suck up (teachers pet) that personality also has the personality to harass and bully because they feel they are untouchable because boss is in their pocket. In this case even the owner/boss is getting duped.

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 22, 2013, 10:22:16 AM
In the actual real world workplace the suck ups are the trouble makers and the ones who do the least amount of work (to busy chumming with boss to get any real work done) yet these people are the ones that get rewarded.

Welcome to planet make no sense.

In my office the trouble makers (friends or not) are out the door.

Go jerk someone else around you creep.

In my proverbial office the productive people and the non trouble makers get rewarded and raises. Having my bag licked isn't worth running a company into the ground.
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 22, 2013, 07:48:17 PM
Working on some new material. Still hoping a good drummer will show up. looking for a permanent drummer if they gel with the music and players.
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 24, 2013, 07:54:45 AM
Posting this link again for other people to read.

http://voices.yahoo.com/online-forum-etiquette-deal-forum-bully-796861.html

She is the leader of the pack. Don't let the smile and charm fool you. She is toxic and already sharpening knives for the next victim. These people have major issues going on. Not sure what the motivation is. I think it's just to cause people hurt and pain.

Who needs that in their life. Not me.

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What is a Forum Bully?
 A forum bully is school ground throwback. Remember that middle school bully with his pathetic little band of sycophantic followers? That's a forum bully. In ways the forum bully is just a pseudonym for a troll, but with a major difference. While the troll's behavior is condemned by the group, the forum bully's actions are condoned by the group. Established members of the group, who don't agree with the forum bully, usually remain quiet while the bully tears apart people just for sport and as a demonstration of power within the forum.

Basically a forum bully is the equivalent of a popular troll -- a troll with power within the group. And therein lies the danger. Picture that popular girl in high school who takes pride in belittling others less popular. Then toss in a few of her friends, along for the ride, who derive their own sense of power by picking up her table scraps, and you have an accurate picture of a forum bully.
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 24, 2013, 06:52:35 PM
I've wasted enough time in regards to the MCS issue. I officially don't care anymore.

Had to clean the slate of my own baggage by letting it all out. It's easier for me to be happy and move on since there is no baggage to take with.

I feel light as a feather now and not a care in the world now. venting anger publically definitely helps to "Release The Demons" as it were.

I recommend it.

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 24, 2013, 09:13:28 PM
Still feeling good. I finally don't care.

Excellent!


Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 27, 2013, 11:38:50 AM
Quiet in here.

Lets hope this place gets a few more musicians in the near future. Online forums are a bit slow in general, probably because of all the cyberbulling. People are getting tired of going on social sites and forums and getting verbally attacked or having their opinion in general attacked. Ive grown tired of it.

These knobs need to stop hiding behind a keyboard and treat people as you would in real life.

Cyberbulling is a hate crime and should and will be against the law in the future.
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 27, 2013, 11:51:32 AM
I honestly don't care if you agree with my opinion or not. Form your own opinions instead.

 8)

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 27, 2013, 12:02:04 PM
I need a public forum to search for other players. Hopefully I can find some real genuine players and people with talent to work with.

Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Junglefalcon on November 27, 2013, 12:37:06 PM
Agreed it's a shame I'm up for a collab.
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 27, 2013, 01:43:14 PM
I'm glad someone agrees for once. Give me a few days to get over the shock.

Everyone else seems afraid to even say anything about the douchebags ruining everyone's fun however not me. Let people live and leave them be.

Like Junglefalcon says it's a shame.

Let's see more musicians drop by just to get the site buzzing a bit more. I normally use my own recordings and search for drums ect so I'm not really trying to get people here for my sake (except for drums)

Everyone is welcome here from the other sites is what i'm saying as long as you don't plan on targeting and picking on people.
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 28, 2013, 05:27:55 PM
Have a lead on another part time job so you guys may get rid of me for a few weeks.

Don't jump up and down to much.

I want to give John his mixing site back as well and say thanks for allowing me to have a place to tell my side of things.
 
Nick and Gerk at MCS do not need to worry about lawsuits and foolishness like that. I won't do that.

I had fun at MCS until the verbal attacks started. After that it just seemed to snowball into outright harassment by Comsidolphin and docmidnite.

The more I think about it I do not want my account un banned (leave it banned)

I'm done with her so no sense prolonging the inevitable. I just dislike the fact that I'm banned for being harassed. They are protecting her however she is the problem. They are getting fooled.

MCS = Ship OF Fools
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 28, 2013, 05:40:34 PM
Mixoff = Good website owner.

Let's people work out their own issues.

MCS = protecting instigators and perpetrators and punishes the victims.
Interesting way to run a website for sure. ???
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 29, 2013, 04:29:04 PM
Fingers crossed in getting new job.

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Having a steady paycheck will help the recording cause.

 
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on November 29, 2013, 09:51:13 PM
Denied.

Didn't get the job. Wasn't quick enough. It's who you blow not who you know.

 ;D

They put me on a waiting list for next time they said.

 :(
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on December 01, 2013, 09:30:26 AM
Not sure I really wanted that job anyway. There is no union and the workers get verbally abused by management.

What's up with that?

If the work is getting done then just leave people be and don't create drama or problems.

A lot of college educated office staff should not think they are better than the workers they manage because they are not. If the workers don't get the job done then nobody gets paid so show a bit of respect.



Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: DavidHanmer on December 01, 2013, 04:53:33 PM
Hey, do you need any guitars or vocals for this?
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on December 02, 2013, 09:29:58 AM
Not really looking for guitar or vocals for this.

Drummer is # 1 on the list then bass and keys after that.

Thanks for asking though David.

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I'm a bit busy for recording until the new year. Real life work may get in the way for a few weeks until the new year.

 
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on December 03, 2013, 12:24:19 PM
I have to work the next two weeks (thankfully)

Need cash for the holidays.

The knobs will have to jerk themselves while I'm gone.
 Circle jerk
Title: Re: Where The Sunset Sinks
Post by: Vincent on December 08, 2013, 01:55:21 AM
looks like I win.

YAY!

Now other members won't have to put up with verbal attacks and insulting behavior. Learn to be civil then perhaps come back and join the fun.

knob