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Title: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: Guitar Zero on March 18, 2011, 09:11:29 AM
Here's one that needs some filling out.  For sure needs some percussion and bass, maybe some other filler items.  Go ahead and add what you think fits. 
The song tempo is 134.  Key is A flat.  All stems line up at 1 1 1 1.

Here's a rough mix of what I have so far: http://www.box.net/shared/static/plr9qnoe4b.mp3

Here's a zipped file of the raw stems: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NDM63GRA

Have fun!
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: ubersyntax on March 18, 2011, 02:05:57 PM
Sweet song man. I'll give this a shot sometime this weekend. Sounds like a cool song to collaborate with.
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: JoshERTW on March 18, 2011, 05:19:43 PM
How would you feel about some straight rock drums? I think it could work, and especially have some ideas of what to do as the song builds up a bit before the end. I'm not much of a drummer (i.e. can't do crazy metal/double kick or anything fancy like that) but I think I could knock out a set of drum tracks (Kick, Snare and OH's) that would be a good accent to this tune. Let me know if you're interested, and I'll try and get something on tape for ya this weekend.
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: Guitar Zero on March 18, 2011, 05:48:53 PM
How would you feel about some straight rock drums? I think it could work, and especially have some ideas of what to do as the song builds up a bit before the end. I'm not much of a drummer (i.e. can't do crazy metal/double kick or anything fancy like that) but I think I could knock out a set of drum tracks (Kick, Snare and OH's) that would be a good accent to this tune. Let me know if you're interested, and I'll try and get something on tape for ya this weekend.
I'm not a drummer and honestly don't know what kind of drums this song needs.  This site is all about collaboration, experimentation, and discoveration (huh?).  Anyway, anyone is welcome to take a crack at whatever they feel works for the song.  So if you have something you think works, by all means go for it.  This one is for kicks and giggles. 
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: noeqplease on March 19, 2011, 06:07:24 AM
Hi,

When  I set my tempo to 134... it does not line up.

I set to 123 for the beginning part, and 3/4 meter, then it starts to make sense.
But then it does not, at the "Flood the banks inward" vocal it goes up in tempo, and then it goes into 134 bpm, in 3/4 time.
There was a start after bar 32, which was not on a downbeat... so I increased the space a little there.

Cheers

Here's a picture of what it looks like on the DAW :

http://nicksevilla.com/music/Glorious-Tempo.jpg
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: Guitar Zero on March 19, 2011, 07:00:56 AM
Hi,

When  I set my tempo to 134... it does not line up.

I set to 123 for the beginning part, and 3/4 meter, then it starts to make sense.
But then it does not, at the "Flood the banks inward" vocal it goes up in tempo, and then it goes into 134 bpm, in 3/4 time.
There was a start after bar 32, which was not on a downbeat... so I increased the space a little there.

Cheers

Here's a picture of what it looks like on the DAW :

http://nicksevilla.com/music/Glorious-Tempo.jpg
Nick, thanks for clearing that up. 
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: noeqplease on March 19, 2011, 08:33:19 AM
Hi,

When  I set my tempo to 134... it does not line up.

I set to 123 for the beginning part, and 3/4 meter, then it starts to make sense.
But then it does not, at the "Flood the banks inward" vocal it goes up in tempo, and then it goes into 134 bpm, in 3/4 time.
There was a start after bar 32, which was not on a downbeat... so I increased the space a little there.

Cheers

Here's a picture of what it looks like on the DAW :

http://nicksevilla.com/music/Glorious-Tempo.jpg
Nick, thanks for clearing that up.  

Hi,

Here's a very rough mix, with the added small space between bar 34-35... so you can compare to what you had. Let me know if this is ok.
The Meter is 3/4 all the way through.
The tempo is 123 from beginning until measure 35, where it changes up to 134.
The Ac Gtr on my session starts at measure 14. The intro synth starts approximately at measure 2.

If anyone gets confused ,I'll post a mix left / click right version.

http://nicksevilla.com/music/Glorious-Ruff-NOEQPLEASE.mp3

Cheers
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: Guitar Zero on March 19, 2011, 07:00:40 PM
Nick,

Sounds good.  I did notice on the first word "sky" your de-esser chopped off the s completely, so it sounds like "ky open wide".  Thanks for sorting out the timing.  I have yet to learn how to change tempo mid song in Logic, but I'll figure it out. 
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: Guitar Zero on March 19, 2011, 08:38:27 PM
OK, I got the tempo thing figured out.  I've attached a screen shot of what it now looks like.  Nick, is this about what you have?

Also, I noticed that synth R tail got chopped off in the bounce, so I bounced a new one here: http://www.box.net/shared/static/hdof7phxue.zip
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: noeqplease on March 19, 2011, 10:07:27 PM
OK, I got the tempo thing figured out.  I've attached a screen shot of what it now looks like.  Nick, is this about what you have?
Also, I noticed that synth R tail got chopped off in the bounce, so I bounced a new one here: http://www.box.net/shared/static/hdof7phxue.zip

Hi Guitar Zero,
Yes, that is what I have. This works better for anyone using the DAW tempo bars. Thanks for uploading that synth again.
Cheers
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: Guitar Zero on March 23, 2011, 01:35:20 AM
Getting a bit lonely in here.
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: JoshERTW on March 23, 2011, 03:54:52 PM
Heyo - been pretty busy and didn't get around to tracking drums this weekend - will try and do it Sunday if I can escape for an hour or two

J
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: noeqplease on March 23, 2011, 10:22:31 PM
Getting a bit lonely in here.

Hi,

I have been busy too... I did try some drums, and will try a few other things over the weekend. This week I'm babysitting my 4yr old, who has a nice tummy virus.
And installing gutters... right as the rain is starting to come down... it's a close call.
Next week I'm starting to mix at least 3 albums, on after the other, so I will definitely give you whatever I have on your song before then.

Cheers
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: RealMusician on March 23, 2011, 10:52:44 PM
Very nice arrangement, nice chords and a fun timing Guitar Zero!!!

Warming up the gear & Downloading    ;)


Billy Collins.
Title: Glorious Unknown
Post by: RealMusician on March 24, 2011, 01:41:35 AM
Here is our take on Glorious Unknown.

If you would like details on what was used and what was done let me know  :)


http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20111420/Glorious%20Unknown_Punch%20Recording%20Mix.mp3


Billy.
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown
Post by: Guitar Zero on March 25, 2011, 02:20:54 AM
Here is our take on Glorious Unknown.

If you would like details on what was used and what was done let me know  :)


http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20111420/Glorious%20Unknown_Punch%20Recording%20Mix.mp3


Billy.
Billy, thanks for your take on this song.  i enjoyed what you've done.  

Here's some notes I'm taking as I listen:
Intro sounds good.  I like where the drums and bass come in.  Bass sounds a bit muddy????  Mind you, I just moved into my new studio, and this is the first mix I've heard in here.  But in this room, can't tell if the bass is just too loud or needs some EQ.  Drums sound pretty roomy, mostly the snare.  The delay panned wide on the B/U vox with some kind of saturation added sounds cool, but I think the B/U vox need a little more substance in places..  You've done something to the piano towards the end of the song, doesn't sound as natural as I remember from the original take.  Sounds almost like an electric piano.  Did you put something on the piano?  I like the electric guitar part you added, but I think it, the drums, and the bass should cut out for the outro, probably right after the last "home".  I like just the acoustic and piano on the outro, just like the intro.  To me has a more intimate feel.

If some others could give some feedback on the bass in this mix, tell me if you agree about the muddiness, or bassiness.  I'm trying to learn this new room, and new monitor set-up.  

It might be fun if you would post the stems you've added so we can all mix this as we go.

Thanks for taking the time to do this.  This is really fun, and something I"ve never done before.
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: noeqplease on March 25, 2011, 09:43:39 AM
Hi,

"I'm ready for my chord chart, Mr. DeMille..."
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: Guitar Zero on March 25, 2011, 05:44:44 PM
Hi,

"I'm ready for my chord chart, Mr. DeMille..."
Forthcoming, replied Cecil.
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: MortenRa on March 25, 2011, 08:12:40 PM
Are all the added tracks from people added to the OPs first post so we can DL and have a go on the mix!?
I can hear its your son on vocals again!? from the TYL song from GS, he sings awesomely! :D
What a cool song this is wish I could play something and contribute but I cant :(
Anyway back to the topic of the files, are the tracks ready for DL so I can give it a go 8)
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: Guitar Zero on March 26, 2011, 05:03:08 AM
Are all the added tracks from people added to the OPs first post so we can DL and have a go on the mix!?
I can hear its your son on vocals again!? from the TYL song from GS, he sings awesomely! :D
What a cool song this is wish I could play something and contribute but I cant :(
Anyway back to the topic of the files, are the tracks ready for DL so I can give it a go 8)
No, don't have the added tracks up yet.  Hopefully they'll get posted so we can all mix it up.  Working on the guitar tabs and lyrics for posting now.
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: MortenRa on March 26, 2011, 02:27:26 PM
oki 8)
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: Guitar Zero on March 26, 2011, 04:39:18 PM
Aaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllllright.  Here's the chords used in this song, tabbed out.  The song is played with a capo on the 4th fret.  All tab numbers represent frets up from the capo.


Chord 1:   
E  open
B  open
G ---6---
D ---7---
A  ---7---
E  ---5---

Chord 2:
E open
B open
G ---8---
D ---9
A ---9---
E ---7

Chord 3:
E open
B open
G ---4---
D ---6---
A ---6---
E open

Chord 4:
E open
B open
G ---2---
D ---4---
A ---4---
E open

Chord 5:
E open
B open
G ---1---
D ---2---
A ---2---
E open

Chord 6:
E open
B open
G ---9---
D ---9---
A ---7---
E ---X---

Chord 7:
E open
B open
G ---2---
D ---2---
A open
E ---X---

Chord 8:
E open
B open
G ---4---
D ---4---
A ---2---
E ---X---

Chord 9:
E open
B open
G ---6---
D ---6---
A ---4---
E ---X---

I'll be back shortly with the lyrics and chords placed where they go.


Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: Guitar Zero on March 26, 2011, 05:36:03 PM
Here's the lyrics with the chord numbers from the chord chart.


VERSE 1
 1           2           3             1
Sky open wide, releasing the open breeze
                           2                    4
And a whisper that hope is coming back for you and me.
         1              2        3                1
And soon we’ll set sail by thousands in fleet.
                    2                4
Commander, captain, and crew
                   5
The rescued ones.

VERSE 2
          1                    2          3                   1
C’mon flood the banks inward.  Flood us to the core.
      1                           2               4
The deepest ocean won’t scare us anymore.
                 1                    2             3                4 
No, no we’ll chase it off the end of the earth, to the shore,
       1                  2             4                        5
And breathe in the last breath    before taking the endless one.

CHORUS
5                   7              5                  8         9
We can lift the anchor up. Lift it up with certainty
             7               5              8
Casting waves to the storm overthrown.
8        9      8         7                     5                    8
Fix your eyes on paradise where you and me are meant to be
9              7       8             1 2 3 1          1     2   4                 
See you at home, yeah, yeah,       woh-o-woah-o-woh

VERSE 3
        1            2                         3              1
Commander declares there’s new life in the air.
1                           2                 4
Captains eyes burn bright like the sun.
              1                2                  3              1
And after ten thousand days for the crew to sing praise,
                         2              4                            5
Still none can compare to the day the echoes have begun.

Oh and we sing it out.

CHORUS 2  We can lift the anchor up…

BRIDGE
4                           5                8
Lifted by your love, taken by the flood.
4                     5             8
Ringing out the glorious unknown
4                        5          9                   8
Singing out these lungs, a promise yet to come

                     7            9                    8                    7
And that’s the wonder.  We could sail for days and know wonder.
8
Yeah, yeah

CHORUS 3
                       7                     5                        8
Fix your eyes on paradise, where you and me are meant to be
9               7          8                           7
See you at home, yeah, fix your eyes on paradise,
          5                       8                 9                 7        8
Where you and me are meant to be.  See you at home, yeah yeah.

The run up at the end goes 4 3 1 2 6
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: noeqplease on March 26, 2011, 05:58:47 PM
Thank you for the chords and the chart.
Cheers
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: noeqplease on March 28, 2011, 05:51:31 AM
UPDATEDLINKS...

Hi,

I've done a simple drum track and electric bass on this song. I hope you like it.

http://nicksevilla.com/music/Glorious_Unknown_NOEQPLEASEMIX_03.mp3

It's a very rough mix, only to give a listen to what I did... tomorrow I am starting some album mixes, so I won't be hanging here for a while...

http://nicksevilla.com/music/GloriousUnkown-NoeqpleaseParts.zip

As far as I could tell, this song is in the key of Ab... at least the Tonic of the song is Ab, and there is a Cminor chord there somewhere...
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: Guitar Zero on March 28, 2011, 07:02:32 AM
Hi,

I've done a simple drum track and electric bass on this song. I hope you like it.

http://nicksevilla.com/music/Glorious-RuffMix-NOEQPLEASE02.mp3

It's a very rough mix, only to give a listen to what I did... tomorrow I am starting some album mixes, so I won't be hanging here for a while...

http://nicksevilla.com/music/GLORIOUS-NOEQPLEASE-PARTS.zip

As far as I could tell, this song is in the key of Ab... at least the Tonic of the song is Ab, and there is a Cminor chord there somewhere...
Yes the key is A flat.  You might have missed it, but I did mention the key of A flat in the OP.  I like the general feel of what you did with the drums.  You're on the right track.  Bass part sounds excellent.  It's fairly subdued, but gives the whole song more body.  I like it.  Thanks for taking the time to do this.  Good luck with your mixing project.  Hopefully hear from you when you're done.
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: Guitar Zero on March 28, 2011, 03:32:08 PM
Hi,

I've done a simple drum track and electric bass on this song. I hope you like it.

http://nicksevilla.com/music/Glorious-RuffMix-NOEQPLEASE02.mp3

It's a very rough mix, only to give a listen to what I did... tomorrow I am starting some album mixes, so I won't be hanging here for a while...

http://nicksevilla.com/music/GLORIOUS-NOEQPLEASE-PARTS.zip

As far as I could tell, this song is in the key of Ab... at least the Tonic of the song is Ab, and there is a Cminor chord there somewhere...
I just now noticed that you uploaded your bass and drum parts.  Thanks for doing that!
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: RealMusician on March 28, 2011, 11:33:47 PM
Sorry I haven't responded sooner, we had to put the fun free stuff on hold due to a current session with a local band.
I will try to bounce the stems when i get a chance. But noeq seems to have you covered & the song is taking a new direction!!! Its sounding good guys  ;D


Here is our take on Glorious Unknown.

If you would like details on what was used and what was done let me know  :)


http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20111420/Glorious%20Unknown_Punch%20Recording%20Mix.mp3


Billy.
Billy, thanks for your take on this song.  i enjoyed what you've done. 

Here's some notes I'm taking as I listen:
Intro sounds good.  I like where the drums and bass come in.  Bass sounds a bit muddy????  Mind you, I just moved into my new studio, and this is the first mix I've heard in here.  But in this room, can't tell if the bass is just too loud or needs some EQ.  Drums sound pretty roomy, mostly the snare.  The delay panned wide on the B/U vox with some kind of saturation added sounds cool, but I think the B/U vox need a little more substance in places..  You've done something to the piano toward the end of the song, doesn't sound as natural as I remember from the original take.  Sounds almost like an electric piano.  Did you put something on the piano?  I like the electric guitar part you added, but I think it, the drums, and the bass should cut out for the outro, probably right after the last "home".  I like just the acoustic and piano on the outro, just like the intro.  To me has a more intimate feel.

If some others could give some feedback on the bass in this mix, tell me if you agree about the muddiness, or bassiness.  I'm trying to learn this new room, and new monitor set-up. 

It might be fun if you would post the stems you've added so we can all mix this as we go.

Thanks for taking the time to do this.  This is really fun, and something I"ve never done before.


The bass was tracked warm & smooth thru an original LA-2A. As you said it may be a problem with your low frequency response in your new room or maybe just a personal taste eq issue.

The piano is all yours other than a outboard Manley mp with very slight eq for clarity. & nothing was changed on the piano toward the end of the song, it is the same throughout.

The drums are dry, other than a small plate on the snare & the room mics were muted.

Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: MortenRa on April 02, 2011, 11:26:24 PM
I just had to mix this finished or not!.... Love the song! Great job so far guys! 8)
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown
Post by: MortenRa on April 03, 2011, 11:23:30 AM

If some others could give some feedback on the bass in this mix, tell me if you agree about the muddiness, or bassiness.  I'm trying to learn this new room, and new monitor set-up.  


Yes its a little muddy but not too bassy.
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown
Post by: Guitar Zero on April 05, 2011, 10:49:05 PM

If some others could give some feedback on the bass in this mix, tell me if you agree about the muddiness, or bassiness.  I'm trying to learn this new room, and new monitor set-up.  


Yes its a little muddy but not too bassy.
OK thanks.  And thanks for putting together an "up to now" mix.  Seems to be taking shape nicely.
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: stickfigure on April 16, 2011, 01:22:51 AM
Thanks for sharing such a really sweet song and allowing us to cannibalize it... and by us, I mean me ;)

here's my first shot at it, with overdubs that desperately need fixing. all the monitoring has been done on headphones, so I expect the balance and eq to be a bit off.

anyway, here it is :)


http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24873953/Glorious_Unknown_%20stickfigure_1st_%20mix.mp3




as is version 2.0 ;)

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24873953/Glorious_Unknown_-_stickfigure_2nd_mix.mp3
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: Guitar Zero on April 18, 2011, 11:29:51 PM
Thanks for sharing such a really sweet song and allowing us to cannibalize it... and by us, I mean me ;)

here's my first shot at it, with overdubs that desperately need fixing. all the monitoring has been done on headphones, so I expect the balance and eq to be a bit off.

anyway, here it is :)


http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24873953/Glorious_Unknown_%20stickfigure_1st_%20mix.mp3

Stick thanks for giving it a go.  I like some of the stuff you've added.  I would encourage anyone who adds anything to post the stems so everyone can pick and choose what to use while mixing this.


as is version 2.0 ;)

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24873953/Glorious_Unknown_-_stickfigure_2nd_mix.mp3
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: stickfigure on April 19, 2011, 10:05:05 PM
Here are the stems, warts and all:

[removed because they're not aligned with the original. please find a newer version below. sorry...]

Percussion and bass, in addition to direct recorded guitars on one folder and processed guitars on another. And some intro noise... :)
Because I added a bar after bar 143, before the pickup (and extended the fade out of the acoustic guitars) on my mix, I've included a vocal track just for reference.

here's my latest mix: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24873953/Glorious%20Unknown%20mix_v3.mp3

Thanks again for the song. I love it and it's been great fun working on it. I'm really looking forward to see where it goes from here :)

cheers
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: Guitar Zero on April 19, 2011, 11:08:45 PM
Here are the stems, warts and all:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24873953/Glorious%20Unknown_stickfig_tracks.rar

Percussion and bass, in addition to direct recorded guitars on one folder and processed guitars on another. And some intro noise... :)
Because I added a bar after bar 143, before the pickup (and extended the fade out of the acoustic guitars) on my mix, I've included a vocal track just for reference.

here's my latest mix: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24873953/Glorious%20Unknown%20mix_v3.mp3

Thanks again for the song. I love it and it's been great fun working on it. I'm really looking forward to see where it goes from here :)

cheers
Thanks man.  It will be fun to play around with the new tracks and see what develops.
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: MortenRa on April 25, 2011, 06:47:00 AM
Stickfigure your tracks doesnt align with the original tracks!.
Could you rebounce them starting from 0, so everybody who wants to try mixing this, will have tracks that all lign up from 0.
Course right know I tryed to align the Ref vocal to the original and all your tracks still doesnt align with the originals :)
So I have no idea what goes where!? ;)
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: stickfigure on April 25, 2011, 09:29:39 AM
Stickfigure your tracks doesnt align with the original tracks!.
Could you rebounce them starting from 0, so everybody who wants to try mixing this, will have tracks that all lign up from 0.
Course right know I tryed to align the Ref vocal to the original and all your tracks still doesnt align with the originals :)
So I have no idea what goes where!? ;)


:$:$:$ sorry...

because of the tempo change, I had to move the tracks a little bit. The project starts with 123bpm, and the tracks are aligned at the 0:00.193 position, so they would match the beat. I did an edit and tempo change roughly at 34.3.00 to 134 bpm. it´s roughly the same process guitar zero used and pictured before. I did roughly the same thing around bar 143, extending the acoustic guitars fade out(very noticeably, I may add - that´s some seriously bad stitching :)) for one full bar to delay the vocal entrance.

so, I guess you really wouldn't be able to align my tracks with the originals... :) should I post all my project tracks?
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: MortenRa on April 25, 2011, 10:53:08 AM
Yea I know theres a tempo change, but that shouldnt affect the bounces to not align!.
If you make your tracks to the same length from 0 as the original tracks than it should be no problem at all to align the tracks. :)
Provided that you have the original tracks starting at 0 in you project!.
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: stickfigure on April 25, 2011, 01:18:11 PM
Yea I know theres a tempo change, but that shouldnt affect the bounces to not align!.
If you make your tracks to the same length from 0 as the original tracks than it should be no problem at all to align the tracks. :)
Provided that you have the original tracks starting at 0 in you project!.


Double sorry! :(

I guess I had the "render time selection" option selected instead of "render project". My apologies. Here's the new batch of tracks. And this time I've checked against guitar zero's original files ;)

[also removed, same reason]

and here are the DI guitars which I forgot to include...

[ditto]

Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: MortenRa on April 26, 2011, 07:25:13 PM
Cool! :D
I´ll DL tomorrow and check it out! 8)
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: MortenRa on April 27, 2011, 10:16:08 AM
Ok got them.....ehemmm :-X they still dont line up...
Did you edit the tracks when you got them, what I mean is did you edit out any silence at the start of the tracks and thats why you might not have them starting from zero!!?
If I lign your tracks up to where the drums come in, than when we come to the bridge all is well. But than after the bridge every thing seems to be all over the place!?

Guitar Zero can you get these tracks to align with yours!?
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: noeqplease on April 28, 2011, 12:20:53 AM
Yea I know theres a tempo change, but that shouldnt affect the bounces to not align!.
If you make your tracks to the same length from 0 as the original tracks than it should be no problem at all to align the tracks. :)
Provided that you have the original tracks starting at 0 in you project!.
Double sorry! :(
I guess I had the "render time selection" option selected instead of "render project". My apologies. Here's the new batch of tracks. And this time I've checked against guitar zero's original files ;)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24873953/Glorious%20Unknown%20-%20export.rar
and here are the DI guitars which I forgot to include...
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24873953/DI%20guitars.rar

Hi,

On your project, where do your audio files start? As in XX:XX:XX:XX timeline, SMPTE code... and also bars...

I downloaded these last night, and simply cannot line them up.

Do you have my bass part? My electric guitar part? Those do line up at the top of the session, at the same exact point as the original posters' files. Where do those line up against your audio files?

Thoroughly confused...
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: MortenRa on April 28, 2011, 05:55:34 AM
Ah I thought I was going crazy here, I was actually checking my own project to see if I did something wrong! :D
Stickfigure I think you need to consolidate the regions/tracks first before you export them!.
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: stickfigure on April 28, 2011, 07:41:38 AM
Ah I thought I was going crazy here, I was actually checking my own project to see if I did something wrong! :D
Stickfigure I think you need to consolidate the regions/tracks first before you export them!.

:(:(:(

sorry, guys, I'm going to recheck everything as soon as i can. all i can say is that i imported my tracks to a fresh project, along with the downloaded guitar zero tracks and they were aligned. bear in mind that my parts only start after a tempo change, in which i split guitar zero tracks and added a space...

i'll get to it as soon as i can. sorry and thatk you for your patience ;)
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: MortenRa on April 28, 2011, 07:59:57 AM
:(:(:(

 bear in mind that my parts only start after a tempo change, in which i split guitar zero tracks and added a space...

i'll get to it as soon as i can. sorry and thatk you for your patience ;)

AHA!!
thats the problem!! you split up the original tracks in your project and recorded your parts to that!!. Thats why they dont align to ours course they are not split up!!!.
You need to fit your parts into Guitars zero original tracks!, You cant go split up hes tracks and then give out tracks that no longer match the originals that were put up!. ;)
You need to make your parts fit to his!, otherwise we dont stand a change in a collaboration mixoff is we start spliting up the originals, think about it if someone else came and did something similar than we would be all over the place ;D
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: stickfigure on April 28, 2011, 01:32:01 PM
sorry for all the mess, guys... :(
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: MortenRa on April 28, 2011, 02:41:59 PM
Hey its ok! just fit you tracks to the originals and reup them eazy peazy lemon cheazy ;D
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: Guitar Zero on April 28, 2011, 07:13:18 PM
sorry for all the mess, guys... :(
When you have your tracks in the proper place, just bounce each track from SMPTE position 1.1.1.1.  That way, we can just throw them in at the beginning and they will all line up.
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: stickfigure on April 28, 2011, 08:14:00 PM
When you have your tracks in the proper place, just bounce each track from SMPTE position 1.1.1.1.  That way, we can just throw them in at the beginning and they will all line up.


oookaaay, then...
splits unsplit, tracks healed and in place, consolidated/exported into DI tracks and rendered into processed tracks (with 'entire project' box checked), midi percussion exported into midi file, all files imported into new project with zero's original tracks, and all synced to the last beat (119.2.20)...

mind you, a few beats of amazing silence I added in my mix may be lost forever... :'(

so, without further ado...

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24873953/Glorious%20Unkown%20-%20stickfigure%20-%20healed%20tracks.rar



Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: Mattski on April 28, 2011, 10:30:29 PM
I just wanted to chime in and help a little.

This song's time signature should actually be 6/8 67 BPM

3/4 is typically associated with more of a waltz style and arrangement. It typically never has a back beat and the pulse is always accented on 1. Now if you double time 67 BPM and reduce the meter to 3/4 you'll basically have the same thing. Although on sheet music it will read out wrong and take double the amount of music to read. In your DAW it will be similar as well.

In pop music or just general modern music with drums it will always be 6/8 or 12/8. A groove with a back beat generally falls within a bar and never consistently at the beginning of the bar. So in 6/8 your back beat falls on 4 and the pulse is felt on 1 and 4. In 12/8 your back beats fall on 4 and 10 and the pulse is felt on 1, 4, 7 and 10.

Hope this was of some help and makes sense to you guys.
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown
Post by: Mattski on April 28, 2011, 10:33:29 PM
Here is our take on Glorious Unknown.

If you would like details on what was used and what was done let me know  :)


http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20111420/Glorious%20Unknown_Punch%20Recording%20Mix.mp3


Billy.
This isn't 4/4!
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: Mattski on April 28, 2011, 10:47:52 PM
In the chorus stay on IV twice as long...
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: MortenRa on April 29, 2011, 11:50:14 AM
Yes! the big boys have arrived! ;D
How about you(Mattski) and Guitar zero stuck your heads together and arranged this over and put it up for a new collab!?
I think having you on board would generate a bit more collaboration and your guidence for people contributions would be a win win situation....
Just a thought ;)
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: noeqplease on April 30, 2011, 01:59:12 AM
Ah I thought I was going crazy here, I was actually checking my own project to see if I did something wrong! :D
Stickfigure I think you need to consolidate the regions/tracks first before you export them!.

:(:(:(

sorry, guys, I'm going to recheck everything as soon as i can. all i can say is that i imported my tracks to a fresh project, along with the downloaded guitar zero tracks and they were aligned. bear in mind that my parts only start after a tempo change, in which i split guitar zero tracks and added a space...

i'll get to it as soon as i can. sorry and thatk you for your patience ;)

Ahhh... ok.

I will erase your previous uploaded tracks, and wait...
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: stickfigure on April 30, 2011, 11:03:10 AM
Ahhh... ok.

I will erase your previous uploaded tracks, and wait...

already uploaded them. the link is a few posts above, and no complaints, yet  :-[

and I confess I didn't download your tracks. they were great, and because of that I knew the moment I'd have them in my hard drive I wouldn't record my own bass or percussion... ;)

looking forward to hearing some feedback and to see how things develop. it's fun to see arrangement suggestions appearing :)
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: Mattski on April 30, 2011, 11:49:44 AM
Yes! the big boys have arrived! ;D
How about you(Mattski) and Guitar zero stuck your heads together and arranged this over and put it up for a new collab!?
I think having you on board would generate a bit more collaboration and your guidence for people contributions would be a win win situation....
Just a thought ;)
I'd be down to help out...
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: MortenRa on April 30, 2011, 05:35:30 PM
Well I guess its up to Guitar Zero than... ;D
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: Guitar Zero on April 30, 2011, 07:44:03 PM
I'm in too, but I can't really re-track any of the recordings, because they were recorded a few years ago, and the artist doesn't live here anymore.  What is it you want me to do?  If I can I'll do it.
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: MortenRa on April 30, 2011, 08:56:56 PM
I dont know!? Mattskis ideas with your tracks I guess!? If Mattskis had some arrangement ideas and its your tracks and know what is what and blah blah blah.
I was just trying to get the ball rolling course its such a great song and Mattskis know hes s*** about producing and arranging that you might benefit from mattskis ideas, or not!? but having heard hes latest upload in the World music mixoff. I just have a gut feeling that this could be germ, after Mattskis has had hes hands on it... in whatever ever form that it might be. And that this could be something really cool.
But it was just me having an idea and just thought I put it out there... ;)
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: Mattski on May 01, 2011, 01:02:36 AM
I'm in too, but I can't really re-track any of the recordings, because they were recorded a few years ago, and the artist doesn't live here anymore.  What is it you want me to do?  If I can I'll do it.
Hmmm, ok. Well who's song is this? And if this isn't your song do we have permission to rewrite and rearrange it? Adding musical parts to it is one thing but total reconstruction is another...
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: Mattski on May 01, 2011, 01:08:37 AM
I dont know!? Mattskis ideas with your tracks I guess!? If Mattskis had some arrangement ideas and its your tracks and know what is what and blah blah blah.
I was just trying to get the ball rolling course its such a great song and Mattskis know hes s*** about producing and arranging that you might benefit from mattskis ideas, or not!? but having heard hes latest upload in the World music mixoff. I just have a gut feeling that this could be germ, after Mattskis has had hes hands on it... in whatever ever form that it might be. And that this could be something really cool.
But it was just me having an idea and just thought I put it out there... ;)
Thanks for the kind words  :)

Yeah this could be cool. But I have to say this is already a nice song, but to take it to another level it needs some careful and imaginative thought.
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: MortenRa on May 01, 2011, 09:09:05 AM
 ;)
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: noeqplease on May 01, 2011, 09:38:46 PM
Ahhh... ok.

I will erase your previous uploaded tracks, and wait...

already uploaded them. the link is a few posts above, and no complaints, yet  :-[

and I confess I didn't download your tracks. they were great, and because of that I knew the moment I'd have them in my hard drive I wouldn't record my own bass or percussion... ;)

looking forward to hearing some feedback and to see how things develop. it's fun to see arrangement suggestions appearing :)

Thanks.

No one has done Penny Whistle on this yet? I can't believe it!
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: noeqplease on May 02, 2011, 03:51:49 PM
oookaaay, then...
splits unsplit, tracks healed and in place, consolidated/exported into DI tracks and rendered into processed tracks (with 'entire project' box checked), midi percussion exported into midi file, all files imported into new project with zero's original tracks, and all synced to the last beat (119.2.20)...

mind you, a few beats of amazing silence I added in my mix may be lost forever... :'(

so, without further ado...

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24873953/Glorious%20Unkown%20-%20stickfigure%20-%20healed%20tracks.rar

Hi,
Sorry to say, but these still do not align to what I have from the original tracks.
Now, it starts closer, but still no cigar.
And, once I did line it up to the tempo change, it STILL drifts off course, although it goes in and out of time a bit. What DAW software are you using?

I am using Pro Tools HD 9.0.2, which does not drift audio like this ever... and I've been using PT since 1996.

Here is a quick print of what it sounds like when I just import the files straight to the top of my session, which is also the top of the original files:

On this first file, I have my mix, including all the original tracks from Guitar zero, all on the LEFT. Your tracks I lined up to the start of Guitar Zeros' tracks, and panned them to the right.

http://nicksevilla.com/music/Glorious-Stickfigurenonaligned01.mp3

On this second track, I MANUALLY moved your tracks, to where they start EXACTLY on bar 35, where the tempo is changed to 134, from 123. I moved all your files 0.744 mS LATER(almost 3/4 of one second!!!). So that your loop starts exactly on bar 35. You can hear that by the second chorus, it is already straying off the rest of the original track. It seems to mostly stay on tempo, but drifts back and forth earlier and later than the tempo. In some bars, your loop is early by a but, and in other bars it is later. How did you create that percussion loop?

http://nicksevilla.com/music/Glorious-Stickfigurenonaligned02.mp3

I like some of the elec. guitar stuff, I will try to incorporate it into the song.
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: MortenRa on May 02, 2011, 06:18:46 PM
Most be a sample rate thing!? if the original files are say 48 and Stickfigure is working with 44.1 and export them as such that might be the problem!?
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: stickfigure on May 02, 2011, 06:36:40 PM
Hi,
Sorry to say, but these still do not align to what I have from the original tracks.
Now, it starts closer, but still no cigar.
And, once I did line it up to the tempo change, it STILL drifts off course, although it goes in and out of time a bit. What DAW software are you using?

How did you create that percussion loop?

Damn! Damn! Damn!  >:(

I'm using Reaper v3.04, but the tempo drifting can be my own fault, at least regarding the guitars and bass :( the drums were programmed and snapped to the grid, so they should be pretty constant.

The loop was created using EZdrummer, using a pattern from the pop library through the Latin Percussion kit.

I'm not somewhere where I can listen to your tracks right now, but I'll listen to them as soon as I can.

Thanks ;)
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: noeqplease on May 03, 2011, 02:21:03 AM
Hi,
Sorry to say, but these still do not align to what I have from the original tracks.
Now, it starts closer, but still no cigar.
And, once I did line it up to the tempo change, it STILL drifts off course, although it goes in and out of time a bit. What DAW software are you using?

How did you create that percussion loop?

Damn! Damn! Damn!  >:(

I'm using Reaper v3.04, but the tempo drifting can be my own fault, at least regarding the guitars and bass :( the drums were programmed and snapped to the grid, so they should be pretty constant.

The loop was created using EZdrummer, using a pattern from the pop library through the Latin Percussion kit.

I'm not somewhere where I can listen to your tracks right now, but I'll listen to them as soon as I can.

Thanks ;)

hi stickfigure,

Yes, it's bad when DAW software does not make every single bar or a prerecorded loop the same length of time. Now at least we know Reaper does this... maybe they'll address it in the future? I hope so, for the independent artist community that uses this DAW... and cannot afford another one.
When I was referring to the time fluctuation, it was in regards to the loop exclusively. I found it strange that every single bar of loop was a very slightly different length, which as a whole makes the loop, and everythin you recorded along to it, drift ever so slightly ahead and then behind. I was able to measure about 6 mS on average early / late, but when you
add that up over the whole song, it sure is audible from about 1/3 of the way until the end. Bummer...

Now that we know this, when I have the time, I wil use some of what you did, especially the nice electrics.
I do want to see what Guitar Zero has to say about your performances, as he initially had stated he did not want the song to turn into a guitar fest...

Cheers
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: noeqplease on May 04, 2011, 05:44:23 PM
Hi guitar zero,

I had some time today to re-do my bass part, simplified and more in tune  ;D and add one (1) part from StickFigure's collection of guitars. The reason I added his, is that I had to do some noise reduction on it, so I added it here with that effect processing.
Here is an updated parts zip file:

http://nicksevilla.com/music/GloriousUnkown-NoeqpleaseParts.zip

And the ruff Mix :

http://nicksevilla.com/music/Glorious_Unknown_NOEQPLEASEMIX_03.mp3

Let me know if you'll have more parts, or if you want me to do a proper mix of this, maybe next week I'll have a little time.

Cheers
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: Guitar Zero on May 05, 2011, 05:58:07 AM
Hi guitar zero,

I had some time today to re-do my bass part, simplified and more in tune  ;D and add one (1) part from StickFigure's collection of guitars. The reason I added his, is that I had to do some noise reduction on it, so I added it here with that effect processing.
Here is an updated parts zip file:

http://nicksevilla.com/music/GloriousUnkown-NoeqpleaseParts.zip

And the ruff Mix :

http://nicksevilla.com/music/Glorious_Unknown_NOEQPLEASEMIX_03.mp3

Let me know if you'll have more parts, or if you want me to do a proper mix of this, maybe next week I'll have a little time.

Cheers
This has been pretty fun listening to all the additions.  I really like some of the things that have been added.  The bass line is the right idea, but some of the notes sound wrong.  I really like the drum track in certain parts. 

Mattski sent me a P.M. with some pretty radical changes that would take this song in a completely different direction.  Mattski, I think you should post it for everyone to hear, just to see what everyone thinks.  It would certainly give this song a completely new complexion.  I don't know where this will lead, but it could be a lot of fun.
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: noeqplease on May 12, 2011, 03:15:32 AM
This has been pretty fun listening to all the additions.  I really like some of the things that have been added.  The bass line is the right idea, but some of the notes sound wrong.  I really like the drum track in certain parts. 

Mattski sent me a P.M. with some pretty radical changes that would take this song in a completely different direction.  Mattski, I think you should post it for everyone to hear, just to see what everyone thinks.  It would certainly give this song a completely new complexion.  I don't know where this will lead, but it could be a lot of fun.

Cool,

Please let me know which bass notes are wrong, so I can look at them and correct them. And as far as the drums, also let me know what would be better or different, so I can try that out as well.
I'm still mixing two albums at once, but we hit an overdub spedbump...so I am on hold for a day or two while those overdubs get sorted out... in NY...
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: Guitar Zero on May 12, 2011, 05:35:32 AM
This has been pretty fun listening to all the additions.  I really like some of the things that have been added.  The bass line is the right idea, but some of the notes sound wrong.  I really like the drum track in certain parts. 

Mattski sent me a P.M. with some pretty radical changes that would take this song in a completely different direction.  Mattski, I think you should post it for everyone to hear, just to see what everyone thinks.  It would certainly give this song a completely new complexion.  I don't know where this will lead, but it could be a lot of fun.

Cool,

Please let me know which bass notes are wrong, so I can look at them and correct them. And as far as the drums, also let me know what would be better or different, so I can try that out as well.
I'm still mixing two albums at once, but we hit an overdub spedbump...so I am on hold for a day or two while those overdubs get sorted out... in NY...
At this point I'm just waiting on Mattski, who said he is working on some revisions that might just take this song in a whole different direction.  We'll see...
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: noeqplease on May 12, 2011, 03:09:39 PM
Ok... it should be interesting to hear!
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: MortenRa on May 12, 2011, 05:06:58 PM
We could build on both no!? ;)
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: Guitar Zero on May 12, 2011, 08:57:15 PM
We could build on both no!? ;)
You guys can take this anywhere you want.  It's all for fun, 'cause God knows it ain't gonna make us rich ;D
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: noeqplease on May 13, 2011, 02:09:48 AM
We could build on both no!? ;)
You guys can take this anywhere you want.  It's all for fun, 'cause God knows it ain't gonna make us rich ;D

You said it here... since I'm still waiting on the overdubs on one album...looks like I will play havoc with this song then...
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: Mattski on May 27, 2011, 06:34:17 PM
Sorry guys, been mia here. Just got back from a trip.

So I layed down a quick ruff of possible progressions that'll work with the melody and the piano line in the chorus. There are still many to try out though...
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: MortenRa on May 27, 2011, 07:15:10 PM
Hey Mattski good to see you back!.
To me the last 3 are the ones that fit the vocal best imo. Which leaves room for other to do stuff, the others feels too busy to me.
Love the drums!.... tho may I suggest brushes in the verses and sticks in the chorus! to give it a little progression when we get that far! :D
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: Guitar Zero on May 30, 2011, 03:44:19 AM
Sorry guys, been mia here. Just got back from a trip.

So I layed down a quick ruff of possible progressions that'll work with the melody and the piano line in the chorus. There are still many to try out though...
Matti,

Pretty good stuff.  It's hard to pick a winner, they all sound good.  I think I like the ending of the last three the best though.  Maybe the third one is my favorite chord progression.
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: Mattski on May 30, 2011, 07:39:45 PM
Sorry guys, been mia here. Just got back from a trip.

So I layed down a quick ruff of possible progressions that'll work with the melody and the piano line in the chorus. There are still many to try out though...
Matti,

Pretty good stuff.  It's hard to pick a winner, they all sound good.  I think I like the ending of the last three the best though.  Maybe the third one is my favorite chord progression.
I was leaning towards the 3rd progression as well. Seems to fit pretty well. Do you want to alter the verse's a bit as well?
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: Guitar Zero on May 31, 2011, 03:12:59 AM
Again, this is just for fun.  I grant you full creative license to alter anything you wish. 
Title: Re: Glorious Unknown Collab.
Post by: MortenRa on October 06, 2013, 10:54:08 PM
So I took the tracks that were posted and then I did the drums myself.
And mixed it today.

Enjoy.