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Author Topic: Mixoff Contest with Mike Senior - Win Mike's New Book!  (Read 202330 times)

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March 22, 2011, 10:15:44 PM
Is there any chance we could get our hands on the lyrics?
I'm cleaning up my server, but you can find some of the mixes I did on this forum here: http://soundcloud.com/stefhartog

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March 22, 2011, 10:17:17 PM
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Can we know who did the orignal mix?

I believe it was fHumble fHingers.

Aww, damn... I guess this means I can't enter,then!

Sweet mix, Karumba

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Just chased this up with the band, and it appears that the verse harmony vocal was all the work of the mix engineer who did the preview mix -- it was never on the band's multitracks. So if you want that line too, then it looks like you'll have to conjure it up by yourself too!

Yep, that's right - I used Sonar's V-vocal to create some extra harmony vocals to fill out the sound... I didn't record any of my own tracks & add them though, I only used the files I was given.
« Last Edit: March 22, 2011, 10:33:43 PM by fHumble fHingaz »

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March 22, 2011, 11:15:09 PM
Just tried to unzip the folder which downloaded overnight, got an error saying 'not a valid download file'...???
I'll go back to the link and try again I guess...

me too - stopped just short of complete?
did it work the 2nd time for you?

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March 22, 2011, 11:37:31 PM
Just tried to unzip the folder which downloaded overnight, got an error saying 'not a valid download file'...???
I'll go back to the link and try again I guess...

me too - stopped just short of complete?
did it work the 2nd time for you?

It did, try it again, hopefully it works for you too  ;)

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March 23, 2011, 02:33:54 AM
Great work Karumba, sounding good, definately kicked the competition off to a nice start.

Is there any chance we could get our hands on the lyrics?

Here are the lyrics for anyone interested:

Letting you down
You see a devil in me
I am flawed
Flawed
 
Broken again
You'll find an anchor in me
I'm a fraud
Fraud
 
Coming around
I am a failure indeed
But you hold
You hold on
 
All my good
Never shows
All I try
Just brings you lows
I try so hard
From blood to bone
 
I feel like a failure
 
All my good
Never shows
All I try
Just brings you lows
I try so hard
From blood to bone
 
I feel like a failure
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Lovely little happy song for you all ;) Really looking forward to hearing all of the enteries and happy to answer any questions regarding the track so ask away.

Cheers,
Paul
Young Griffo
« Last Edit: March 23, 2011, 02:50:11 AM by Maton »

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March 23, 2011, 08:40:18 AM
Thanks Paul. It was the flawed/fraud that made me ask.
I'm cleaning up my server, but you can find some of the mixes I did on this forum here: http://soundcloud.com/stefhartog

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March 23, 2011, 09:54:43 PM
ok...it seems i'll make the start :-)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2216927/misc/Young_Griffo_-_Blood_To_Bone_v0-20.mp3

Great job, karamba -- gets us off to a flying start! So here are some comments...

The kick has a nice controlled low end, but the high-frequency 'cut-through' works better in the choruses than in the verses -- it drives the rhythm along nicely, but feels just a bit too aggressive to me. The snare, on the other hand, seems to work a little better in the verses than the choruses, even though I like the sound of it in a general sense -- it's nice and clear, but its character begins to submerge a bit under the massed vocals and guitars. I like the guitar and bass sounds a lot, although the bass-guitar fret squeaks are a bit distracting and could be automated down. The lead vocals seem slightly too thinned out during the verses for me -- it keeps the tone clear, but somehow distances the vocal a little too much. The backing vocals feel understated in the choruses, where I think they could really open things out. The lyrics are quite indistinct during choruses, and automation might be the answer there, as well as maybe some anti-masking cuts elsewhere in the arrangement. Effects have been very tastefully used, without any of the all-too-common clutter problems. Overall tonality feels a bit more mid-scooped than the references, but I don't mind that personally.

It's testament to the quality of the overall tone and balance decisions here that my biggest criticism of this mix is that the long-term dynamics don't quite stack up. This first really niggles me at the start of the second chorus, where the entry of the vocals doesn't quite deliver what I'm hoping for in terms of emotional payoff. I'd probably do some vocal tuning to sweeten and gel the texture a bit better, which might help you fade up the vox more without losing blend. Something a bit more expansive in terms of effects there might also be an idea. My favourite bits of this mix are the two Mid-sections, which really work up a good head of steam, but the problem is that they make the energy-drop into the final chorus a lot starker, so the end of the song is left a touch disappointing.

Still, this is a great mix in most respects, and certainly flings down the gauntlet in style! Bring on the competition!

thank you very much for the detailed critics. you mainly nailed all my weak points. just some comments from my side. i did no automation here up to know, since i'm doing automation always at the end, normally when the client approved that my mixing-direction is fine. i have to admit, i'm slightly confused by the song structure, e.g. i don't understand the drop after midsection 2.
after i've read your comments & hearing the mix again, i've planned to make these changes:
- less high-klick on the the kick during softer parts
- try to make chorus 3 more interessting (maybe some FX stuff)
- feature the solo in the outro
- push the vox a bit more in the chorus
- try to automate the fret squeaks
- pan the right guitar a bit more to center
- try to optimize the snare (maybe i need to blend with a triggered snare here)
- some slight vox optimization

with "vocal tuning" you meant pitch? do you plan also to provide a mix at the end?

looking forward to hear further mixes!

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March 24, 2011, 11:45:02 AM
Great jobs so far from fHumble and Karumba. I won't give any detailed feedback because it tends to focus on the things I think are wrong or can be better in my opinion... And I don't want to come of as trying to 'put down' other people's mixes in a contest :) I'll be happy to have some discussion after Mike has made up his mind though!

Thanks for the tracks to the band, very nice song. Thanks to Mike and John for the time and effort put into this.

Here's my mix: http://www.unseensound.com/BloodToBone_Lastrite_01.mp3

I'm cleaning up my server, but you can find some of the mixes I did on this forum here: http://soundcloud.com/stefhartog

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March 24, 2011, 07:45:15 PM
Here's my go at it. Really cool to see that you're going so in depth in your reviews of mixes Mike.

I tried a few cuts to make it more of a "radio edit", but probably would cut the 2nd half of the bridge also if I really wanted it shorter.

http://soundcloud.com/slater05/blood-to-bone
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March 24, 2011, 09:47:29 PM
http://soundcloud.com/slater05/blood-to-bone

I'm afraid my studio computer isn't internet-connected, so I can't listen to this properly unless you provide a proper MP3/AIFF/WAV link. Soundcloud isn't providing a download link. Maybe you can enable that? Or am I doing something daft? I'm not too clued up on Soundcloud's inner workings yet... ???
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